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HTC 5G Hub

I bought a HTC 5G hub (5G Android & 5G Router) from Hong Kong last month. Currently, I can only surf on 4G LTE network.  My questions is when the 5G network would be available in Sydney, so that my HTC 5G Hub would show its power. 

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Nice purchase, Eric008!


Customers can check out our 5G page for a coverage map and updates as they become available.


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You may need to go on a walk about Eric. As you can see from the coverage maps 5G is very much in its infancy. Optus are only doing in home 5G plans at the moment. Personally I wouldn't expect much usable 5G for another 12 months.
If you're just looking for a signal and not actual connectivity then you can also see where Telstra has set up shop too here

As an aside, I am at a loss as to why we are building three competing 5G networks. I get 'competition' but surely it would make much more sense for the big Telcos to pool their resources and divide each city up into say 3 zones that they then are responsible for constructing 5G towers. That way the rollout would be three times faster (not to mention not wasting huge amounts of resources).
 

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Peter - what you say makes sense, however given the historical nature of carrier interests, we may not see the required spirit of co-operation. I hope we do. At the risk of heightening blood pressures of readers, the model of having one core network with registered Resellers for Mobile Networks (aka NBN style) would provide a sensible rollout of the real 5G NR Standalone Network when they actually start being deployed. Today, its who has the biggest budget wins with the usual suspects coming 1st, 2nd and 3rd making it difficult for No 4 to enter the market.  

5G NR (New Radio) technology uses 3500 Mhz Millimeter Radiowave Infrastructure and other technological advancements. Depending on the supplier, the current best coverage distances in the USA range from 200 metres, 500 metres and 1000 metres. It may take over five years to eventually roll out across the country. Compare that to current 4G cell coverage distances which are measured in multiple kilometres. You can imagine how many knapsack size Pico cells are going to be plastered all over light poles in our suburbs and other support infrastructure to deliver 5G coverage - then multiply that by 3 or 4 carriers all doing the same. It makes sense to change the model. Any co-sharing arrangements between carriers may receive attention by the ACCC and I think the Government needs to steer a suitable outcome - unlikely to occur whilst it is in the current hands.

From my readings, and happy to be corrected as I am a reader only - not a specialist, I get the impression that what is being offered today as 5G is actually called 5G NR (New Radio)  Non-Standalone, an interim step,  where the 5G Software operates on top of the 4G FDD/TDD Infrastructure using Channel Aggregation, 4x4 MIMO and 256 QAM ( similar in concept to Wi-Fi) to achieve very high data speeds; known in the U.S.A. as "Gigabit" Mobile Broadband and marketed as globally by carriers today as 5G. You will know when we reach real 5G Nirvana  - when thousands to Pico cells start being deployed in our city streets. 

I think this interim 5G Step and other 4G LTE Enhancements is how some lucky people in metro areas are currently enjoying unprecedented high data speeds on their Smart Phones and Devices -  ex YouTube Australian Carrier clips - Samsung S10 5G 1216/63 Mbps, iPhone XS 254/158 Mbps, iPhone X 286/28 Mbps and Nighthawk M1 255/20.57 Mbps. All these results should be viewed as indicative only with low simultaneous users per cell and many other factors influencing real world connectivity. 

I am happy to be corrected if I have misrepresented any facts - learning all the time. 

 

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Always sounds better when you say it @Mkrtich Smiley Happy

Historically the Telco battle has been based on reach/coverage. Presumably competition is needed to drive this as if all three Telcos agreed on a shared rollout footprint then the ACCC might suspect they're not reaching as far as they might seperately (given regional 5G is always going to make a comercial loss)

Perhaps the competition laws need to get a little more creative. An agreement could be reached to have a shared deployment on any regional area with a population density of more than 1000 people per square kilometer (i.e. Ballerat and bigger). These areas the Telcos will definitely be all installing 5G into. So competition isn't an issue.

The Telcos could then compete in extending their footprint as they saw fit and people would decide on their carrier based on price, coverage, service, etc. 

I don't know how such a conversation would even begin (and I suspect its way too late anyway). 

Peter Gillespie

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n78 "3500Mhz" is not mm wave at all.

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Thanks for your feedback and correction - appreciated. It's a continual learning process for me - I usually pick up little snippets of knowledge each day. I watched this 2017 video clip from IEEE Spectrum a few weeks ago and found it very informative.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEx_d0SjvS0

I have obviously and mistakenly latched onto Millimeter microwaves as being used in both the interim and final 5G NR versions; the video confirms your comment and states they are intended to be used in frequencies significantly higher than n78/3500Mhz. Having replayed it this afternoon, I now realise implementation may also mean sometime in the distant future. Maybe some of the developments depicted in the 2017 video have yet to be defined by International Standard Bodies or even adopted by carriers - as the video's closing remarks say the five features are "a work in progress". 

Happy to receive any other feedback or corrections. All part of the education process. Cheers.

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The minister for communications has started the long chain of events in order to hold a spectrum auction for the mm band. No set date as yet, but like the current 5g band, limits were in place so every telco gets a fare go at it.

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Keep in mind that not all devices purchased overseas will be suitable for use in Australia. For example, many devices will lack the bands that we use in Australia, and will not have the proper certifications to ensure compatibility with local laws relating to interference etc. So unless your HTC device has the bands that Australian telco's end up using, it may never work on Australia's 5G.
FYI - most devices take many months to get Australian certification, both with regulatory authorities and with carriers.

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n78 is the only 5g band we use in Aus currently so that is covered.
Telstra sells the same device and only a single version of the device is sold - so no problem there.
People bring in phones form overseas all the time and use them on BYO plans, thus making a mockery of the "certification" to start with.

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