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Re: Internet attrocious at night.

Becky181

Lets all get this actual upgrade etc all thought through. First some areas of the whole telephone network has never been upgraded since the sixties not even new cables in the ground when they were way past life expectancy, (blame PMG/Telstra/ multiple federal governments for cutting back on funding selling off telstra and making it not a service but a business) role foward 40 years to 2000 demand for a world class internet in Australia becomes a political hot potato both sides agree it needed to be made better but 2 different plans one from labour was to upgrade the whole netywork to fibre optics to the premises cost was quoted and this then became a liberal point to say we could do it much for a much smaller price by only running fibre optics to the node and use existing copper cables to the premises. Libs won election and trashed the already started NBN of labour. Result is all this on here the problem is businesses are trying to force top line internet through third world equipment and using a patch only when it fails QOS. add to that all cabling in Australia is still controlled by TELSTRA so even OPTUS cant just sort a fix by swapping you to a different twisted pair in the cable without getting TELSTRA to do the work. The whole idea of the NBN is shot to hell hence we get results from hell. The ONLY way to fix the system is to do it PROPERLY. the so called cheap NBN that libs put in place was a pipe dream even TELSTRA and OPTUS knew it when they told libs they could do it cheaper it has now reached almost double the libs estimated cost for the cheap NBN which is funnily above the properly worked out costing to do the origional fibre to home labour plan. So 1) why were the libs so determined to put in a third rate system? 2) who gained? 3) who lost out?

answers are simple:

1) the libs were hammering labour for spending too much money on things that helped the country, so to make this sound like it was wasteful they had to come up with a plan that looked good on paper and saved lots of money.

2) Telstra and OPTUS gained as they would have had to rent space from the NBN cables for their systems to use or stick with the crap we have now and pay much less or nothing. Libs gained as it was one more thing they could point to as waste. TELSTRA also gained since they charge for downloads and uploads as does OPTUS unless you are on a true limit free plan. Telstra and optus gained as more people use wifi or mobile data plans which has little cost to provide but is charged for at highest rates.

3) who lost out in all this back room plotting and plam greasing US the public those that pay for this crap and are forced to put up with it.

 

Why is this system crap? simply put copper is limited in its speed and distance a signal will stay usable ADSL2+ is limited to under 2KM from an exchange - thats cable length not as the crow flies. the cables in the ground are worn out many have been beyond useful life for in excess of 30 yrs. the main role out of NBN in most areas of australia will be via wifi to home no need for a phone or landline why? one tower can support hundreds if not thousands of homes with out the need for constant cabling repairs.some areas will be by satalite which was in both plans why? no other way to solve distance problems.

 

Heres the problem as the wifi take up expands they will still need to upgrade the system to handle more users in each area security is no where near as good since the signal like all wireless or radio signals is able to be intersepted and with the right abilities hardware and knowledge hacked.

 

solution to all the above problems was the fibre plan as a single fibre optic strand can handle 100s of signals and they travel at the speed of light distance isnt a problem as light will travel in a fibre for hundreds of miles with no loss of signal as long as it is joined at ends correctly.

 

So heres the thing as a whole we as a country voted in a government that was set on using a much less effective solution for a possible but not gained saving. We are now paying for that decision and will be till the country upgrades to fibre at the time one of the catch calls was why should we have a better system than the USA or Japan? which didnt have fibre! well my reply was why shouldnt we go for the best solution that will last alot longer. by the way Japan is almost all fibre now as is alot of China and the USA! so they  didnt have it but were getting it but since they didnt have it we didnt need it?

 

Anyway just dont blame OPTUS or TELSTRA for the crap we have but the governments of the day and since  that made a concious decision to keep us a third world country as far as the internet is concerned but they have made sure all big business needs are on fibre and we paid for it not the companies.

 

Re: Internet attrocious at night.

sddawson

Could all be true, Becky181. But for a lot of us, we have the congestion problem using Optus CABLE. This is their own cable and infrastructure, strung between poles in the street. It's the equivalent of fibre to the node, and capable of 100mbps speeds. But it's oversold and gets congested at night. For instance, Enmore in Sydney goes down to 1-7mbs at night, and I've had it confirmed there are currently NO plans in place to improve matters. This is plainly ridiculous. 

Re: Internet attrocious at night.

Swiftpawv2

Since the big website change my forum account is inaccessable and I've had to make another one.

 

Still waiting for an explanation as to why this issue that has been happening EVERY night for over a year now is acceptable:

 

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Re: Internet attrocious at night.

Becky181

Could all be true, Becky181. But for a lot of us, we have the congestion problem using Optus CABLE. This is their own cable and infrastructure, strung between poles in the street. It's the equivalent of fibre to the node, and capable of 100mbps speeds. But it's oversold and gets congested at night. For instance, Enmore in Sydney goes down to 1-7mbs at night, and I've had it confirmed there are currently NO plans in place to improve matters. This is plainly ridiculous. 

 
Sddawson I totally understand about cable and its problems as well it is again as you say congestion and over subselling as each added conection in a run of cable takes away from all existing customers the only solutions to this is either 1) duplicate or more the existing cable run and load balance the customers on each cable run or 2) replace the cable with fiber which will handle the existing and more loads.
 
As always it is a problem of costs cutting profits and any company only answers to its shareholders no one else in this day and age and when we the customers are unable to vote with our feet to go to a better provider or one that will give what they promise.
 
 
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